Yup I think you showed me at one point and yyyeah it kind of is :P
That would be a very forward thinking advert! Ah if only!
Yep. It was a "being gay = bad" thing at first, but language has evolved and it's been adopted to mean bad but without necessarily the homophobe side.
I was aware of it at that age and I know it came to mind at one point (not to massively serious amounts, not enough to try it, but enough to think "well that would be easier")
Quite the numbers. I'm glad it's rare - we really shouldn't have 11 year olds trying things like this and especially not succeeding. This is obviously a very rare incident, and TBH I have a feeling his actions were probably meant for attention / cry for help. I remember from being that age it being quite frustrating if your parents don't take you seriously, and it is mentioned that they kind of thought he was handling it ok. I remember "playing dead" to scare my parents into listening once, perhaps Michael aimed for something more visual and sadly was a bit too successful.
I do seem to recall a story of a kid here not that many years ago "play hanging" and tragically succeeding, I think it's one of those things it's very easy to accidentally be successful with when you don't mean to.
Are you really playing the "it's his own fault" card?
No kid should have to hide his interests. The teachers should be listening when he or the other kids say he's being bullied and do something about it, much like they should've learned to in 2000 when a kid was driven to suicide by it (and succeeded).
>being a brony is frowned upon
Not really, only by haters on the internet and a minority who don't understand and react to it by being arseholes.
When you're a kid? No. Being different causes kids to react, sometimes with bullying, but pre-teens really don't have the understanding required to 'frown upon' being a brony (usual reasons cited being a fear of it turning into pedophilia or zoophilia or turning someone gay, none of which are concepts familiar enough for a 10 to 12 year old).
You seem to have this thing of thinking the entire world is 4chan. 4chan is not the world, it's the arse end of the internet where all the scumbags gather to be as nasty as they can, and it's given you quite a paranoid view of other people and how the real world operates. Not everyone is out to make you hang yourself for being male and liking ponies, not everyone is out to steal your personal information, make your life a living Hell and send you pizzas. These are in fact, quite a minority. There IS however a general attitude of "different = bad", which I'll come to later.
>however the primary kids who bullied him are free of blame i believe, kids gonna be kids
Not quite. They're outside of the legal age of responsibility where they could get a criminal record and go to prison (rightly so - ruining their lives for being idiotic when their brains haven't finished developing yet would be ridiculous), but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught right and wrong, and disciplined to reinforce when wrong means wrong. Be it revocation of privileges, notification to parents, detention, suspension, whatever, depending on severity.
In the school I went to, they let a bit of bullying go on (because yes, a little bit of thickening of skin can be beneficial and teach some life lessons) but if it got too much, they came down on the bullies. And if it ever caused real harm, there was a zero tolerance policy. Without a doubt, the kids who caused this would've been expelled and their parents would've had to move them to a school for kids with behavioural problems.
>it's simply a boy with what is either mental health issues or astoundingly low self esteem
Maybe, though those are usually more things that manifest themselves in the teens, far as I know. I find it more likely that he only meant for this to be a cry for attention, for people to take his pain at being bullied more seriously, and I remember from hearing of other incidents like this (heck, I remember one being from a bunk bed too) that it's easy to end up genuinely killing yourself by accident.
I don't think the parents are necessarily bad. They thought he was coping ok (getting comfort from the bible and whatnot) and he's out of their sight for most of the day so it's difficult for them to know better.
I'm not really one for wanting to pin blame actually, it's mostly a terrible mix of influences caused by a general societal attitude of "being different = bad" (which you're kinda not helping with here by reinforcing it). If I had to blame something or someone more specific, it'd probably be mostly the school, who should be monitoring behaviour (signs of bulling or being bullied), teaching kids what acceptable behaviour is, and keeping parents on both sides informed.
>there is no real brony issue here.
Yes and no. It's certainly a more general problem, of bullying, and attitudes towards others being different. It's a brony issue in that it's been identified (with I guess some benefit of the doubt) as the reason in this instance, and so the community has decided to set an example to the rest of society and help one of its own. NOTE: that doesn't mean we don't care about the rest of the world, but it only makes sense to start with a minimum of looking out for your own family and friends. If this means 1D fans will be later inspired to look out for a 1D kid who's been bullied for liking 1D (for example), great. If it's big and loud enough to influence society as a whole, wow, awesome. I don't expect that, but "you have to aim for the stars to get to the moon" and other such cliches.
The overall societal attitude CAN change - ever notice how it's now perfectly acceptable for girls to like boys' things, have more traditionally "male" interests, and for them to start careers when they get older instead of being housewives? Right. And yet if a boy likes a girls' thing, oh no, that's gay, he must be stopped. This is the attitude we're trying to discourage. I think we're just a bit behind still on the male side.
>four chan likes to be thought of as the bad guys. we are are not that bad really.
Weren't you telling me in another thread how extremely horrible they can be and the various horrors you've seen there? If you go to any other forum or even chan I can think of online, they're not going around posting gore and CP and trying to get people to kill themselves.
>sometimes it just pays to fit in
Only in the short term, most when others are not understanding acceptable behaviour towards others. Being forced to pretend to be someone else to fit in causes all sorts of problems in the longer term and feeds into society's festering closed-mindedness. Heck, is it any wonder depression is rife these days when it's so strongly encouraged to change yourself to suit everyone else, who are probably all itching to be themselves too...